Broadwell-E Platform
Intel is releasing a 10-core Extreme Edition processor. But is it worth the EXTREME price?
It has been nearly two years since the release of the Haswell-E platform, which began with the launch of the Core i7-5960X processor. Back then, the introduction of an 8-core consumer processor was the primary selling point; along with the new X99 chipset and DDR4 memory support. At the time, I heralded the processor as “easily the fastest consumer processor we have ever had in our hands” and “nearly impossible to beat.” So what has changed over the course of 24 months?
Today Intel is launching Broadwell-E, the follow up to Haswell-E, and things look very much the same as they did before. There are definitely a couple of changes worth noting and discussing, including the move to a 10-core processor option as well as Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0, which is significantly more interesting than its marketing name implies. Intel is sticking with the X99 platform (good for users that might want to upgrade), though the cost of these new processors is more than slightly disappointing based on trends elsewhere in the market.
This review of the new Core i7-6950X 10-core Broadwell-E processor is going to be quick, and to the point: what changes, what is the performance, how does it overclock, and what will it cost you?
Go.
The Broadwell-E Architecture
As the name implies, the four processors that Intel is announcing today are part of the Broadwell-E platform, and utilize the same microarchitecture found in the Broadwell family. Desktop users never really got Broadwell parts; even though we included performance results from the Core i7-5775C here on PC Perspective, the part was never widely available, and was released much too close to Skylake to take seriously. Broadwell-E will very likely be more widespread in the DIY market than Broadwell was.
Inherently, there is an architectural disadvantage when going with Broadwell-E, as Skylake is on the market and widely available. Skylake offers improved power efficiency, upgrades and improvements to the integrated graphics, and some IPC enhancements. BDW-E however is a 140 watt CPU family that will surely be used with discrete graphics cards – Skylake’s advantages are less important in this particular market segment.
What is new to the enthusiast platform with BDW-E is a 14nm process technology, as earlier Haswell-E CPUs were built on the 22nm node. In theory this gives us more headroom for performance inside the same 140 watt power envelope. However, it would appear that rather than getting us extra clock speed, the process shift is what is allowing us to increase core count while maintaining competent clock rates.
So what does Broadwell-E offer for consumers? The new Intel Core i7-6900/6800 processor family will be the first to include a 10-core / 20-thread option under the Core brand, though Xeon parts have been available with equal or higher core counts for a while. They will also include as much as 25MB of cache. The addition of Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 is actually the most technically interesting addition to the processor family, promising to tell you which particular core is the “best”, and allowing it to work on single threaded workloads specifically.
The platform remains the same; X99 motherboards with the LGA2011-v3 socket should all be able to run the Core i7-6950X and other BDW-E CPUs with a firmware update. Of course, companies like ASUS and MSI are using this processor launch as a convenient time to update their existing X99 motherboard families with new features, and ASUS sent us the X99-Deluxe II to use in our testing. For users that are running Haswell-E today, this does offer an upgrade path for you to Broadwell-E. Whether or not that is a worthwhile move based on our performance results will be another discussion, but it is good that Intel is extending the lifespan of the platform at all.
Because Intel is sticking with the X99 chipset for Broadwell-E, we do not have any specific changes to talk about on the platform. Intel does mention in its presentation that Thunderbolt 3 is here, and a good match for Broadwell-E, but it will depend on the motherboard vendors to integrate support for it. Based on the new X99 boards I have seen timed with Broadwell-E, most of them do add Thunderbolt 3, USB 3.1, and U.2 storage support among other things, so I do expect the X99 boards coming out in 2016 to be better appointed than their 2014 counterparts.
Intel claims that performance increases will exist for both single and multi-threaded workloads. The multi-threaded performance improvements are easy enough to associate with the 10-core processor option, giving us 25% more cores than the Core i7-5960X. Single threaded improvements come courtesy of clock speeds and Turbo Boost Max 3.0 which we will discuss in a bit.
All four processors launching today are fully unlocked and allow for per-core overclocking, AVX specific offset ratios, and VccU voltage controls. More than likely these changes aren’t going to shift how normal overclockers get the job done, but it does give users that have a lot of experience with the art some additional room to stretch the silicon.
Let’s dive through the specs of the parts hitting shelves this summer.
The flagship processor for Broadwell-E is the Core i7-6950X, and it sports some impressive specifications! A base clock speed of 3.0 GHz along with a Boost clock speed of up to 3.5 GHz is paired with 10 cores to offer unseen multi-threading performance for a consumer branded processor. Obviously HyperThreading is in play so the CPU will actually address 20 threads in your system – and just looking at Windows Task Manager in that configuration is awesome. That CPU will have 25MB of cache, 40 lanes of PCI Express 3.0, quad-channel DDR4 memory support, and a price tag of $1723.
Wait, what?? $1700?!?
Intel has taken a different route with the Broadwell-E release than with the previous one. Every time Intel has increased core count on their Extreme Edition processors in the past, the new higher-core part was the flagship priced at $1000 or so. When Haswell-E brought us 8-core parts, it had a tray price of $1049. For whatever reason Intel is going back on that trend, keeping the 8-core processor option at $1089, but adding 58% to your price for 25% more cores. It changes the whole dynamic of the platform, honestly.
Looking past the Core i7-6950X to the other parts, Intel has an 8-core and two 6-core processors. The 8-core Core i7-6900K runs 200 MHz faster than the 6950X, drops a bit of cache (to 20MB) but maintains the same capabilities otherwise. Only the Core i7-6800 sees a drop in PCIe lanes – down to the same 28 lanes that the Core i7-5820K offered but with a price tag of just $434.
Price cut when they realize
Price cut when they realize they gave out more review samples than people actually bought?
If the 10 core was only
If the 10 core was only $1200-1300, it might be a viable option, but not over $1700
Clearly Intel don’t aim the
Clearly Intel don’t aim the average Joe market…
edit: doesn’t
edit: doesn’t
Its worth $1000 just like
Its worth $1000 just like every other extreme CPU
At $1700, isn’t it cheaper to
At $1700, isn’t it cheaper to buy a dual socket board with two 6 core parts?
I miss the CPU wars of a decade ago. I hope zen is something worth replacing my 4770k with.
If it isn’t worth it to
If it isn’t worth it to upgrade your 4770k to SkyLake, then it probably isn’t going to be worth it to upgrade to Zen either. I was still using a core 2 duo laptop up until recently, and it did everything I wanted it to fine. Most general use applications just do not need that much processing power.
So with overclocking,
So with overclocking, Broadwell-E on average basically offers around the same per core performance, and no better?
I guess the “sweet spot” is probably still a the 6 core model. Something we’ve had around for several generations now. If you can call a $617 CPU a sweet spot.
As a mere mortal and gamer,
As a mere mortal and gamer, I’m much more interested in how the Broadwell-E 6850k and 6800k compare to the Skylake 6700k than I am about the 10 core/20 thread behemoth.
I’m hoping to see PCPer do some gaming benchmarks that compare these platforms in the near future, especially for slightly older titles that aren’t necessarily written with much multi-threading in mind.
They only had the 1 sample, I
They only had the 1 sample, I am sure more reviews are to come. I love how TTL was pushing the 6850k over 6800k,not worth it IMO considering its only more pcie lanes.
They only had the 1 sample, I
They only had the 1 sample, I am sure more reviews are to come. I love how TTL was pushing the 6850k over 6800k,not worth it IMO considering its only more pcie lanes.
I remember seeing people talk
I remember seeing people talk about the 1499 MSRP rumor for the 10c/20t CPU and saying, “It’s not going to be that high. It’s going to be $999 just like the previous gen.”
Lo’ and behold, it’s more than anyone could have anticipated.
Nothing short of a scam, please Zen don’t be Bulldozer2.0
Do you know the Murphy’s
Do you know the Murphy’s law?
By some vaseline while you can afford it. :o)
edit: buy
edit: buy
Anyone see benchmarks in
Anyone see benchmarks in modern games with a 1080?
I am considering upgrading from a 970 -> 1070/1080. However I am still on an i7 3770k @ 4.1. Wondering if that and the 1600mhz ram is limiting me.
So skylake would be easy upgrade – or the 6 core would not be that muchi more here with the 28lanes of PCIe..
DO you need an older CPU to
DO you need an older CPU to update the bios or can you update the bios with this new CPU installed?
Contact you motherboard
Contact you motherboard manufacturer.
Holding pattern for Zen…
Holding pattern for Zen… The lack of competition in this market is really showing.. Or what we’re seeing is the real devaluation of the USD.. You guys are printing money like nVidia and Intel make new chips..
really make you think doesn’t it…
Even with EUR or GBP it won’t
Even with EUR or GBP it won’t be significantly cheaper…
$1700? You could get a
$1700? You could get a *cough*https://pcper.com/hwlb*cough* dream gaming PC for that, with cash left over for some Steam credit. I guess this part is not intended for me.
Alright, maybe only ‘high
Alright, maybe only ‘high end’, but still – better than my trusty old Thuban rig..
This illustrates why Intel
This illustrates why Intel doesn’t want to be in the GPU market. The 1080 is actually a big chip for 16 nm, but Nvidia has to sell the GPU, plus 8 GB of new, super high speed memory on a PCB with an expensive cooler for $700. Intel gets $1700 just for a bare CPU. I would of guess that the die size for this CPU is similar to the 1080 GPU. The problem with not wanting to be in the GPU market is that the consumer market is quickly merging with the GPU market. Mobile will probably be going mostly APUs. There is quite a bit of power savings to have everything on one die. I don’t know how acceptable APUs will be in the desktop market, but an HBM based APU could be a very powerful device. Intel does not have a competitive GPU at all. The stuff with on-package didn’t fair too bad, but that was comparing an Intel 14 nm device with an AMD 28 nm device. Intel GPUs will not be able to compete with AMD or Nvidia 14 or 16 nm devices. Intel may have a lot of competition in the enterprise market also. Power processors and Nvidia GPU compute are going to be very competitive for HPC. There is also possible AMD HPC APUs and possibly ARM server processors. The new ARM core is only about 0.65 mm2 die area on 10 nm. They could put a large number of cores like that on a die with a huge L3 cache and have a very high throughput server device.
I have $156,000 in the
I have $156,000 in the business bank account ready to purchase 100 of the through the channel. We’ll be selling them for $1750+ and using them in my company’s Pro Workstation 3 Desktops. They will pair well with the $4000 Quadro’s that we will using.
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Anyone else feel like Intel
Anyone else feel like Intel is milking this CPU generation as much as possible until AMD releases Zen?
I think the pricing should have been;
10 Core = $1000
8 Core = $750
6 Core = $450
6 Core = $250
I hope that the prices change when Zen is released…
I’ll wait for zen and go for
I’ll wait for zen and go for it, whatever it is. Boycott whoever play the monopolistic game proudly as Intel is clearly doing.
well, greed has no
well, greed has no limits.
and lack of actual competition as well 🙂
i agree with above, until AMD has some competing products …
intel can drag their feet, milk the cows, and act basically
like comcast in that onion video spoof ….
“we don’t give a f….”, what are you gonna do ? …etc. etc. etc.
sorry Intel, love your products butz …something doesnt add up
I can get three i7-6700k and still be under $1000.
so don’t bullshit that its a cost ble ble ble …3 freaking skylakes ….still cheaper than one 10-core CPU …
at least CEO, COO, CFxxxO will get the bonuses 🙂
For the price of one private
For the price of one private jet you can get many compact cars without being able to reach half of the sound speed…
What are you trying to demonstrate?
Except the right analogy is
Except the right analogy is between a Ferrari and whatever muscle or sports car is in the same price ratio, your private jet example is stupid like you.
Does it change anything (the
Does it change anything (the best performance for the worst price) in the logic? No.
Insulting people doesn’t make you right either.
If Intel could lower the
If Intel could lower the price of the I7 6950X from 1700 to 1000 then the entire line is approx 47% overpriced……
Just saying……………..